Nothing can be proved (at least intellectually). Neither any kind of God, nor any kind of absence of God. Don’t take my word for it. Read Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason. Read Heisenberg and Godel. Ask of any statement – “but based on what?”, and keep asking – and later (or mostly sooner) the thread leads back simply to an assumption.
This means that any honest discussion about God or no-God must always be prefaced by the statement – “I believe”. This applies to a-theism, just as to any theism. These are all equally unprovable belief systems.
But atheists have a tendency simply to state their faith as fact. Dangerous if people are taken in by this.
Consider the Dawkins delusion. He’d have you believe that science somehow has disproved God. Nonsense. Literally non sense. Apart from anything – which God? Surely one should have a clear definition of what you don’t believe in?
What’s worse, he has a scientific training. Has he forgotten it? He should know better. Hypothesis “No-God”. Pretty vague, but then … evidence? It’s blind faith.
At least the leaders of the old religions – Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists mostly preface their statements with “I believe”. (Have you recited the Nicene creed recently?).
And the result? Worse than any major religion. Atheism preaches a morality of nihilism (there is no point, no spirit, no meaning, there is only the material).
Yes, through the ages atrocities have been carried out in the name of religions; but non more-so than atheism. Unshackled from morality mankind has released Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Capitalism. Let the whole law by thyself. Why not indeed – if your religion preaches that there is nothing beyond this material existence.
There is a kind of logic. But no logic of kindness.
Hi, I’m not surprised you’re giggling…but why in the gutter?
JUPITER grins and winks at me… He knows I don’t like gutter talk, but your posts are nothing of the kind.
Anyway, sooner or later Science will have to concede because SCIENCE now knows that Everything Created came from the Omnipotent COSMOS.
GOD YANG JUPITER is now Satisfied…Oh! and I am HIS SIBYL, who is not at all an Intellectual. My brain has never been academic so, I’ve always had to rely on my Heterodoxy Mind. XXX
Hi Anne (Sybil?) – have you checked in with panpsychism? (Philip Goff).. Also the great work of Sir Roger Penrose who proves that consciousness is different from computation (maths – Godel’s Incompleteness). I am completely with you – the supposed “hard” problem of consciousness is only that for materialists. Consciousness predating the material and energetic world makes more sense – and pervades all. There is really quite a lot of science that backs this all up.. and on why the gutter.. well I was returning from a late night poker game once on my bike and came off and found myself in the gutter looking up at the starry sky and it filled me with such wonder I just started to giggle with the joy of the connection with all that is.
How Lovely! JUPITER has been my only font of Knowledge about such things. Anything I need to know HE tells me when I need to know it… And when I’m too Fatigued I just take dictation. Funnily enough, only this morning I looked up COSMOS in one of my dictionaries and was surprised to come across the word Cosmotheism and what the Belief stands for. Well, in my case, it’s not a belief it’s a fact. JUPITER tells me it’s nearly time to Force The SCIENTISTS to choose between Advanced Alien Intelligence Theories or Cosmotheism’s Gods Intelligentsia. It’s Really Impossible to Disprove it. XXX